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    Just a note with a positive feedback car was not running well had tried all the usual fuel / carbs etc and spoke to Liz and Martin and ordered Electronic ignition and ancillary parts (the car was running on piranha electronic ignition that had been in the car for a long time) the up shot , once all changed over for pertronix ignitor / new coil etc the car was transformed Steve

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    similar experiences with everything I buy from DistributorDoctor I do not buy vacuum advance, caps, rotors or internal distributor parts from anyone else now.

    Also confirm that my stag was transformed by the pertronix / flamethrower setup. I also had a Piranha p8 and found that the sliding optic on the baseplate was sticking.

    The cap for the stag and rover v8 lucas distributors is the same, but be aware the rotor arms depend on whether you have electric ignition of a points setup. I did a little vid here showing the differences
    https://youtu.be/nr1_jFssay8

    If you are running a rover v8 with the 35DLM8 distributor Martin also sells an ignition amplifier than works longer than the 10 minutes the new green box stuff does.

    His rotor arms used to be red, alas another much much much cheaper (and inferior) product suddenly became Red also. Now Martin stamps DD on his black rotors.
    Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

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      #3
      Another vote for Martin & DD. Pertronix is the way forward, simple & easy to fit.
      Auto transmission rebuilding since 1979 - for my sins!

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        #4
        I am happy with the service and quality from DD. Wouldn't go anywhere else. The internal Pertronix unit, reconditioned dizzy and new vacuum unit all work well with my Bosch coil.
        Dave
        1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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          #5
          The reluctor supplied by them appears to be 2mm too thick on top of the cam.
          Gives poor rotor arm stability.
          Last edited by jbuckl; 22 July 2021, 23:04.
          There are 2 secrets to staying on top :- 1. Don't give everything away.
          2.

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            #6
            Originally posted by jbuckl View Post
            The reluctor supplied by them appears to be 2mm too thick on top of the cam.
            Gives poor rotor arm stability.
            Spoke to Distributor Doctor yesterday RE: the Petronix I bought off him. He wants me to send him a picture??????? Does't he believe me? It clearly was too thick. Asked if I pressed it down?....yes put a socket on it and thumped it down no change.......did I clean it? Yes......WD40 and a good clean no debris on it. So the answer to my problem is..........." this is the first I heard of it, non of my units have that problem "....Julian you clearly saw the distributor doing a belly dance when the rotor was rubbing the top of the magnetic bit on the shaft.
            I was told its probably an after market rotor and distributor cap.........both rotor and distributor cap are original lucas including the distributor.
            New magnetic bit is over 50.00.
            So I might as well bin the petronix. And get new parts and fit back my old Lumenition ignition. This is the fouth part I have bought from traders that I cannot use anymore,.....they include new fuel pump from a well known trader, a spin on oil filter, faulty HT leads, and so forth. All of them lying in my shed.

            p.s well I cannot send a picture as Julian came all the way from Birmingham to London to start my car, we had to grind it (middle of magnetic ignition) to make it fit so the Stag could start and be tuned.
            Well done Julian on starting my Stag.
            Regards,
            Sukhi

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              #7
              some US Folks I recall having a similar issue with Pertronix

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                #8
                are you using an EI rotor or the stag original?
                Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by sujitroy View Post
                  some US Folks I recall having a similar issue with Pertronix
                  Have a look at Richard's video linked above, it's clearly explained that you need to use the correct combination of parts.

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                    #10
                    The reluctor was in the region of 2.75mm thickness above the cam. (Originally the rotor arm goes down onto the cam.)
                    That meant the rotor arm had that much less engagement & was too high & wobbled.
                    It was also hard against the distributor cap causing it to heat up rapidly too.
                    other vendors reluctors only have 0.5 mm above the cam.
                    Unfit for purpose parts are becoming the norm.
                    Not even worth discussing with the purveyors of these barely engineered ‘kits’ indefensible, but mostly they choose to defend it with precious little ability to listen understand or care. Learn who’s parts are worth buying.
                    Alternatively learn how to re-engineer the parts to make them function.
                    Alignment of the vacuum capsule rod to base plate hole was in the region of 4mm off.
                    You’d be better off sticking with oem leyland / Lucas parts if you could get them.
                    yes I’ve watched the video.
                    yes the vendors still supply incompatible parts.
                    the reluctors could be molded with a clearance hole for the rotor arm… end of any height issues.
                    anyway, lovely drive to Rickmansworth (tony’s) then sukis, then back mostly in very high ambient s for the U.K., with the stag performing well & seeing lots of thumbs up
                    Last edited by jbuckl; 23 July 2021, 23:48.
                    There are 2 secrets to staying on top :- 1. Don't give everything away.
                    2.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by KOY 23 View Post

                      Have a look at Richard's video linked above, it's clearly explained that you need to use the correct combination of parts.
                      Sorry John, but when you buy parts from a trader you should be told about ALL other relevant information and components that are required and needed to fit and operate that part.

                      You don't expect the average person or laymen to be psychic or otherwise. How would a person know which other different component needs to be fitted unless of course the seller himself advices so? So the case ends up to be that a part is bought and fitted then realise a different component was needed to make it work.
                      Last edited by singapore stag; 24 July 2021, 00:46. Reason: Grammer and sentence structure
                      Regards,
                      Sukhi

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                        #12
                        Suki, Yep, but that isn’t what’s happening… you’re in the best place to get the best help on the stag parts that are available. Ask & ask & search on here before buying… there’s too much expensive snake oil on sale.
                        Fwiw I’m running an Aldon igniter, Viper ballasted coil, nos Lucas rotor arm & replaced resisted coil feed wire. Fire up is less than 1 turn of the crank from cold.
                        my previous coil was a red Bosch… leaked oil..& broke down when hot, before that a new Lucas Dlb sport coil which was fluffy above 3000 rpm…. But one of the recent viper coils I bought was faulty from the get - go. Imho coils are becoming consumable items.
                        Last edited by jbuckl; 24 July 2021, 01:11.
                        There are 2 secrets to staying on top :- 1. Don't give everything away.
                        2.

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                          #13
                          Hi Julian
                          Interesting that you run the Aldon as I understand it to be a rebranded Pertronix, presumably you didn’t have problems with rotor arm fitment?
                          I had no problems fitting mine, with the help of a good thump and it’s not a problem that I can remember being raised on here before.
                          Maybe the wrong reluctor was supplied in Sukh’s Pertronix kit, or maybe there are a lot of shorter rotor arms about.

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                            #14
                            I am always keen on DIY and have been maintaining my Stags for over 30 years, but in this case I sent my distributor off to DD for a refurbish and fitment of EI. That way, all the parts are supplied and fitted correctly, and came with a calibration certificate to prove it had been thoroughly tested. Cost a bit more, but no need for home bodging to get it to work. Money well spent IMO.
                            Dave
                            1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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                              #15
                              I feel sorry for suppliers sometimes. They are trying their best to help keep our cars on the road but are forever getting beaten up. Our cars are niche and we forget they do not contribute the kind of profits that most manufacturers and wholesalers demand. I think Julian has correctly made this very point a few times previously. Then they have the “want it cheapest brigade” who might shop somewhere else for the sake of 50p - it happens. I see this in rubber bits. The “good” handbrake grommet for example that will last much longer than the cheap is 20p more wholesale. That might equate to 50 or 60p extra retail plus VAT. But as most of the suppliers sell the cheap one where do people buy these and subsequently a basket of other stuff that means you can be smug about offering the best but get no sales or thanks because if it.

                              So I’m trying to be objective. To your point about related parts Sukh - so they try to tell you a part and in some applications that part needs a second part to make it fit, in other applications not. You have to draw the line somewhere and assume the customer has a fair idea of what they need surely? For example, you ask to buy a 7/16 bolt off me - what do I do, sell you an7/16 bolt as you have requested or ask
                              ypu if you need a nut? What type of nut, thin, full, nyloc, plain, castellated, do you need washers? Plain, split, star? Should the bolt be BZP or SS, what tensile strength do you need? Peter does a good job of this at LD part by trying to list other parts needed depending on the application

                              This is a simple, albeit long-winded, way of saying it’s tough being a supplier (I work with the all through SOCTFL and see it all the time) when so many factors are in play and so many owners see price rather than value.

                              I’m sorry you had a diff part, honestly I’ve never heard of DD supplying anything other than great parts which is maybe why he was surprised. Everyone makes mistakes and how they resolve them is a measure of the business.
                              Paul - 3 projects, 1 breaker - garage built and housing 2 white Stags. One runs, one doesn't

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