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    #16
    Thanks for all your comments, some interesting points there. I think I'll fix the plate with pop rivets and get rid of the self tappers now!

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      #17
      My mk1 was built in 1971 but not registered until 1976 according to the heritage certificate it was delivered to the first owner but not registered, I am only the second owner so know all it’s history.Does this make it the last registered mk1?
      To anyone who knows anything about Stags my car looks like a ringer as everything on it is mk1 but it is on an R registration.
      Stag Owners Club Forum has registered Tonywhite as a Trader in used parts for The Triumph Stag. 13.12.2017

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        #18
        In my book there is nothing wrong with using the best bits out of a couple of old cars to make one good one, especially the body shell. As long as the car is not presented for sale as original with matching numbers at least another Stag gets to survive. I walked away from a top-class restoration once because a donor car had been used and regretted that. As long as it is not misrepresented I see no problem. Just my personal opinion. The term "ringer" only applies if the seller seeks to sell the car as something that it is not .

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          #19
          the term ringer applies to a vehicle that doesn't comply with the DVLA points system to retain it's original ID

          https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...tered-vehicles

          Original monocoque and correct style running gear would keep the id

          use a different body shell and not the ID = ringer

          In the words of the DVLA

          "Get a ‘Q’ registration number


          You will not be able to keep your vehicle’s original registration number if one of the following applies:
          • it has fewer than 8 points
          • it has a second-hand or altered chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame
          • there’s evidence that 2 vehicles have been welded together to form one (ie ‘cut and shut’)

          Your vehicle must pass the relevant type approval test to get a ‘Q’ prefix registration number."

          The system is widely open to abuse, caveat emptor always applies here

          Stag like so many cars from the 1970s and earlier has ID pop riveted to the body frame, easy to ring but for an expert easy to spot also!

          Fret not about build dates and reg dates there are all manner of anomalies with DVLA systems, ffs they are almost as rubbish as BL at records keeping.

          Also it was only within the last decade or so that cars imported no longer ended up with a reg plate relevant to the date of import and not a date relevant plate. Easy to end up with years between build date and first reg date.

          Then BL factory records issues. my stag is listed on the heritage cert as Aug 31 1973, the same date as a number of other stags and quite a bit of difference between comm numbers. My car was first registered as a home delivery export in Dec 1973

          What laughs

          Stags and Range Rover Classics - I must be a loony

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            #20
            Can you imagine what the Cortina club go though 1600E may be maybe not, but changing for tax is a ringer
            "The UK,s 2nd Most Easterly Stag" Quad Exhaust- ZF 4 Speed BOX

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              #21
              Originally posted by MandM View Post
              Can you imagine what the Cortina club go though 1600E may be maybe not, but changing for tax is a ringer
              On another thread about this subject there are references to Mathewsons, who were featured in the excellent TV show Bangers & Cash. I remember one episode about a 1960's Mini Cooper S they pulled out of a lock-up garage. The car almost broke in half when they loaded it onto a pallet and then put in onto a fork lift and of course the engine was seized up and probably scrap. Derek (the boss) removed the VIN plate, which he said could have been used to clone the vehicle. It was sold for around £10k,which I thought was ridiculous given its condition and was going to have a new bodyshell put on it. This is obviously nothing like an original car but does that make it a clone or a ringer? How much of a car should be left to give it any sort of originality? Is it like Trigger's broom-4 new heads and 2 new handles but it's still the same brush?

              Richard

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                #22
                https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...built-vehicles sums it up.


                Keep a vehicle’s original registration number


                A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:
                • the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
                • a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
                • the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
                • a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)

                You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

                For cars or light vans:
                • suspension (front and back)
                • steering assembly
                • axles (both)
                • transmission
                • engine

                For motorbikes:
                • forks
                • wheels
                • engine
                • gear box
                Get a Q registration number


                DVLA will give your vehicle a ‘Q’ prefix registration number if you do not meet the conditions for keeping the original registration number.

                Your vehicle must pass the relevant type approval test to get a Q registration number.

                Vehicles with a Certificate of Destruction (CoD) must never reappear as complete vehicles or be presented for registration, though some components may be recycled. You cannot keep the original registration or vehicle identification number.


                There is (or was) a company (Frontline Developments) rebuilding MGBs with new body shells and brand new Mazda engines & gearboxes, yet they seemed to be able to retain the 'original' registration. Go figure.
                Dave
                1974 Mk2, ZF Auto, 3.45 Diff, Datsun Driveshafts. Stag owner/maintainer since 1989.

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