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  • Chix
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    Thanks for all your help and advice guys!

    So he's got it running, I'm not sure what I'm listening for, how does this engine sound to you?

    Also, here is last MOT which it failed:
    Repair immediately (major defects):
    • Nearside Headlamp aim so that beam "kick up" is not visible on the screen (4.1.2 (a))
    • Offside Headlamp aim so that beam "kick up" is not visible on the screen (4.1.2 (a))
    • Nearside Rear Position lamp not working (4.2.1 (a))
    • Electrical wiring insecure and in contact with sharp edges around steering column in engine bay and by pedals (4.11 (a) (ii))
    • Parking brake efficiency below requirements (1.4.2 (a) (i))
    Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
    • Rear Passenger seat(s) missing at time of test ()
    • corrosion offside front floor/inner sill outside prescribed areas
    • Offside Front Sub-frame damaged but not seriously weakened grinding marks (5.3.3 (b) (i))


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  • Neil in Deal
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    Mornin' all,

    Yep, the Ford V6 was notorious for the timing gear teeth stripping/breaking off. The fix at the time (and still to the present day) is a lovely shiny alloy one.
    If the teeth have been damaged, possibility of timing out.....valves touching pistons etc ?? (Can't remember if this engine is an interference one ?? No doubt some of our learned brethren out there will know...)
    Personally, I'd hang fire on rushing into a purchase, you really need to SEE the car and the owner, that way you get an overall "sense" of the situation.
    And a test drive will hopefully reveal any other issues like whining diffs, clonky drivetrain, steering (check for leaks after driving it) etc. Plus, if the vendor trailers it down to you, you might feel obliged to buy it, even if it doesn't meet your expectations.
    Also, Essex V6's can be expensive to have overhauled/rectified, same as most engines.
    Remember there are quite a lot of Stags for sale at all times. Unless the engine is totally shot, the expensive bit is bodywork. Would recommend an HPI check too, doesn't cover all bases, but at least you'll know if the car is the vendor's to sell and doesn't partly belong to a finance company or someone else
    Best of luck,
    Stay safe,

    Neil.

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  • jbuckl
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    The biggest concern on a Ford Essex v6 was the Teflon cam timing gear, which could loose teeth. (If I remember correctly) that could be a reason for no start too. The v6 cologne engine didn’t have that problem. Many stags did have the Essex v6 fitted though.
    Last edited by jbuckl; 21st May 2020, 00:46.

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  • richardthestag
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    Originally posted by Chix View Post
    Also, why are my posts all unapproved for ages?
    Takes ages for me to see any responses!
    Hi Chix

    Because you are not yet a member of Stag Owners Club all posts need to be approved by moderators before they appear online

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  • Chix
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    Also, why are my posts all unapproved for ages?
    Takes ages for me to see any responses!

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  • Chix
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    So turns out the engine won’t even start. He’s looking into how much to have it towed down to me, but to be honest if the ad said good solid runner and the engine doesn’t even turn over (he said he’d replaced battery, plugs, new fuel etc) then what hope have I got?

    I’m really gutted. Though I was actually within striking distance of owning a classic car.

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  • Chix
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    Just spoke to him on the phone, bodywork sounds good but there seems to be doubt around the engine and whether I'd be able to drive it back to Southampton...
    Can't quite understand what he's saying about it, whether it needs a service, or the engine is not great...
    He's sending me videos of it running so I'll let you know more then!
    Cheers

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  • Chix
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    Originally posted by DJT View Post
    Welcome.

    The Ford V6 was a common conversion done commercially back in the 80’s. As said above, bodywork is the killer for many classics, and the Stag is no exception. It will cost to fix rusty metalwork even if you can do it yourself.

    Is this the one: https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1227078

    Hopefully some of our Surrey members will recognise the car. Looking at it’s MOT history, the last time it was presented was in June 2018, when it failed. Although now MOT exempt, I would want it put through a test before I bought it.
    Yes, that is the one! From the photos, the bodywork looks ok, but maybe the seller wouldn't publish photos of any rust. I've been reading your guide in what to look for, specifically under the wheel arches etc.
    I'd love to go and have a look but it's a long way to drag the family! I'll give him a ring and try and get some more info regarding the MOT etc.

    Thanks for your support guys, really appreciate it.

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  • Goldstar
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    Originally posted by DJT View Post
    Welcome.

    The Ford V6 was a common conversion done commercially back in the 80’s. As said above, bodywork is the killer for many classics, and the Stag is no exception. It will cost to fix rusty metalwork even if you can do it yourself.

    Is this the one: https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1227078

    Hopefully some of our Surrey members will recognise the car. Looking at it’s MOT history, the last time it was presented was in June 2018, when it failed. Although now MOT exempt, I would want it put through a test before I bought it.
    If not this one is the one you are looking at located in Southampton?

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  • DJT
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    Welcome.

    The Ford V6 was a common conversion done commercially back in the 80’s. As said above, bodywork is the killer for many classics, and the Stag is no exception. It will cost to fix rusty metalwork even if you can do it yourself.

    Is this the one: https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1227078

    Hopefully some of our Surrey members will recognise the car. Looking at it’s MOT history, the last time it was presented was in June 2018, when it failed. Although now MOT exempt, I would want it put through a test before I bought it.
    Last edited by DJT; 18th May 2020, 09:51.

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  • KOY 23
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    Welcome.
    The Ford engine does not worry me, it can always be changed in the future if you want. I am more concerned why the owner wants to sell it after a month, maybe there’s a serious problem, probably rust, that he wasn’t aware of.

    Have you looked at mot history? many sites on the web, this can give you an idea of what may need doing.

    Please send details.

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  • StagJonno
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    Welcome Chix. Understand where you're coming from and most of us would support saving another Stag. Whether it's worth the money really depends on its condition, especially bodywork, where fixing could eat your wallet. If you could provide a link to the advert, or post a few pictures, we'd be able to offer more useful feedback to your predicament.

    Jonno

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  • Chix
    started a topic First time buyer, help and advice needed!

    First time buyer, help and advice needed!

    Hello all! From what I've heard, you are a very friendly and helpful bunch, I'm looking forward to getting to know you all.

    I'm Chix, (a bloke, it's a nickname, long story) and I'm looking to get my first classic car (in the shape of a Stag).

    I'm sure like all of you when you started out, I've got extremely limited funds and thought I'd have to wait AT LEAST 5 more years to save up to get a Stag.

    HOWEVER, one has just come up for just over 5k. Looks great in the photos, but the seller has only had it a month and wants shot of it.

    It's got a ford V6 cross flow type with manual gearbox (which replaced the original V8 and automatic gearbox).

    Now I'm not a purist (yet) and not if it means I can get my first classic and start off on the ladder, but please tell me, what do you guys think?

    Have you heard of this car before? Did it belong to one of you? Has it popped up on your radar? Is it a bad idea to run a different Engine and Transmission?

    Would love to know your thoughts.

    Thanks!

    Chix
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