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    DownUnder once removed..

    Hi - I am in New Zealand and have recently imported a 1977 automatic Stag from Australia. The last Stag I owned was a 1975 auto, which I bought in 1981 when I lived in England (former SOC member) - I brought the car with me when I emigrated here in 1985, but sold it the following year to fund a house purchase. So it has taken me 33 years to regain what I lost... The car I have bought has "good bones" though has not enjoyed an unmolested life, and my intention is to bring it back up to where it should be. The car was supplied new in Australia and there are a couple of things about it which have me scratching my head, and I'm hoping that Club members may be able to advise -

    The car has a modification to the cooling system which is not like anything I have seen, or read about previously - there is a take-off from the top radiator hose back to the Water Transfer Housing on the rear of the right-hand cylinder head. A T-junction in this pipe bridges to another T-junction in the normal heater outlet hose which connects (as normal) to the Water Transfer Housing on the rear of the left-hand cylinder head. My understanding is that there is normally no connection to the Water Transfer Housing on the rear of the right-hand cylinder head, this being blanked off with a plug. Can anybody explain to me why this may have been done, and if it is a recognised modification?

    Being late-model Aus specification, the car was fitted with the Evaporative Loss Control system, though at some stage it has had the engine replaced and it would appear that the original carbs have been replaced with another pair of Strombergs, and some of the connections to the ELC system have been abandoned. I am intending to restore the car, bringing it to what would be a NZ spec. (similar to UK) and would like to ditch the ELC system altogether, but am not sure what implications this may have on the running of the car. If any members have knowledge of Aus spec. Stags I would appreciate any advice.

    Thanks - Dave Hopkinson

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    Hi Dave

    Welcome back to Stag ownership! I hope you enjoy your new acquisition and get it back to its original glory.

    I have no idea about the re-routing of your cooling system. Someone will be along with an answer I am sure.

    My car is a 1976 and was an Australian spec car destined to be exported to Oz, but it never left the UK so I had all the smog equipment on it when I got it. I can tell you that local experts in Faversham (Faversham Classics) simply removed the entire system, allowing the engine to run much better. No issues with running whatsoever.

    Hope this helps!

    Jeff

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      #3
      Connecting the water transfer heads is a common mod, here is some info..

      https://www.socforum.com/forum/forum...-diversion-mod

      But I'm not sure about running it back to the top hose, maybe to give some flow when the heater is off?


      Terry
      Terry Hunt, Wilmington Delaware

      www.terryhunt.co.uk

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        #4
        Thanks, Jeff and Terry - your responses are very helpful.

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          #5
          Connecting the heads is common, but not feeding the pipework to the top hose as this would bypass the thermostat.
          Sounds like a bodge to fix an over heating problem
          Neil
          Neil
          TV8, efi, fast road cams and home built manifolds. 246bhp 220lbft torque

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            #6
            Not sure where in New Zealand you are, but there are some knowledgable Stag owners in Tauranga and Auckland whom I met when I was over there.
            Can't just at present remember his name but the chap with a 73 French Blue Stag in Tauranga knows his engines and has a "shed" full of spares, and his wife was the President of the SOC New Zealand at one time, and I believe is currently the Secretary. The current President is Sue Lowe who I also met and lives in Auckland, her contact details are in the mag.
            The man & wife neighbours (Ian Skene and his wife) of the couple first mentioned have a Stag each with almost identical number plates.
            Terry (home - Los Cristianos) ~ (YouTube site - "Tenerife Terry" to see uploaded videos)

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              #7
              Thanks "Tenerife Terry" - I am in Auckland, though I think the guy you mention is named John Parker. I have communicated with John in the past, when I was looking for a car to buy. I have recently joined the SOC here and will certainly be picking the brains of other members!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Davo1805NZ View Post
                Thanks "Tenerife Terry" - I am in Auckland, though I think the guy you mention is named John Parker. I have communicated with John in the past, when I was looking for a car to buy. I have recently joined the SOC here and will certainly be picking the brains of other members!
                Yes it was John Parker who took us out in his Stag along with a few others when we were. We also met other other Stag owners in Auckland, including Sue Lowe who is the present President of the New Zealand branch.

                Top Pic below was taken at John Parker's home and shows his (blue) Stag, and another visitor that day, and the pic below it is of his neighbour Ian Skene, whose wife also drives a Stag with the number plate MY HALF!.
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                Terry (home - Los Cristianos) ~ (YouTube site - "Tenerife Terry" to see uploaded videos)

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                  #9
                  Dave, definitely doable but there is a bit of work involved in completely removing the anti pollution set up and getting the engine running right. Being a late Australian car it would have had the whole lot fitted, the earlier ones came here with only some of the bits. Without photos hard to tell what anti pollution stuff is still on your car and what has been modified/blocked off. Have your carbs been changed to the no emission type?
                  If it's all on there the carbs, radiator, engine, fuel tank, breather lines, air cleaner box, exhaust etc etc are all affected.
                  Stag 2500S
                  Jaguar STypeR Citroen C5

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                    #10
                    EMC comp.jpg
                    Thanks STypeR - the attached composite photo shows the current state of things under the bonnet. You can see at the left the thermo switch in the radiator is disconnected from anything, while on the right the adsorption canister has one stub flapping in the breeze. Per my original post, the car did have the engine replaced at some stage and I'd guess the carbs may not be the originals. The car starts well and sounds mechanically OK, but doesn't run well currently - feels and smells like running rich. I'm currently stripping it as far as I can get then I intend to deliver it to a local engine specialist, who is experienced with the Stag V8, before sending it off to a panel and paint shop for a bare-metal job. I previously said that the car had apparently not enjoyed an unmolested life - well, this far into stripping it I can modify that statement to say that it has spent a good part of its life being positively tortured. Working on it brings misery and fascination in equal measures.... Initially when it arrived with me my reaction was to flick it and take whatever loss, but I subsequently "manned up" and have resigned myself to the fact that I was put on this earth to save this car from further abuse. It'll end up owing me probably twice what it's worth, but I'm way beyond that by now.
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                      #11
                      I think you can pretty much strip all that stuff off. The workshop manuals should show the various versions. Taylor Automotive in Newmarket know their stuff now Morris Turner has moved on.

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                        #12
                        The other photo I attached shows where I have gotten to - soft top and T-bar removed and LH window frame out (workshop manual a bit light on detail here, but I should have an easier time with the other side). Here you can see evidence of the original Carmine Red colour, though the nasty painted-over-black remnants of original beige trim have been removed. Withe regard to the repaint, the obvious thing to do is to put it back to the original colour - however I'd have to say that Carmine Red is not my favourite Stag colour, and though I'm not a purist, the original trim options of beige or chestnut don't excite me either. This leads me to thinking I should maybe go with a colour which was a factory option for 1977, but also one for which black was a trim colour option - thus retaining some authenticity. I'm tempted to have it done in White, as per my dear old T35435LD, which I owned from 1981 to 1986. Suggestions / opinions welcome....

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                          #13
                          Thanks PJB!

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                            #14
                            I have been in touch with Taylor Automotive regarding them doing the work - their workshop is spitting distance from where I live.

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                              #15
                              Dave I am a bit of a purist on a car's original paint colour so I kept mine the original Mimosa Yellow on its respray; I did't mind that shade of yellow, Carmine Red I don't mind either but that one's up to you; Carmine Red with a beige interior is a nice combo.
                              I prefer a light colour interior, the dark colours are too gloomy for my taste. Vinyl interiors don't really do it for me either so I went leather all the way.
                              I did try to find a leather in the car's original chestnut colour but I did't like any of the textures. So cream with black piping and the black wool carpets the interior became.

                              I decided early on that I would correctly connect the cars original emission system to make my life a lot easier. Mine is a '75 Australian delivered car. At that year it was pretty much has the same emission spec as yours save for the radiator thermo switch and the anti run on valve yours would have had. I have quite a bit of detail on the Australian spec system if you intend to go there including measurements of all the emission hose lengths making life a bit easier. Important though to work out what carbs you have first as they may not match up. It looks like things are at least fairly complete from your photo.
                              Send me a PM if you need to. Remember most of the posts on the forum are for the British/European based cars which were mostly void of any of this.

                              Great to see you are saving this lovely looking car. Don't worry one of my friends has spent 45 thousand pounds on his; he stopped counting ages ago and enjoys driving the car.
                              Giving my car a pampered life must also be one of the reasons I was also put on this earth!
                              Stag 2500S
                              Jaguar STypeR Citroen C5

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